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how could something like this happen in an environment that's this secure and do you feel like we've made a lot of progress. >> that's a great question. i still brief despite this awful tragedy, that we are much, much safer. but what we're safer from is the risk of a catastrophic attack. we hope that the intelligence will help us disrupt it before it happens, like past plots against the new york city subway system. we hope that as an explosion or attack begins, someone mate be able to disrupt it as we saw in times square. and unfortunately, some of these are going to get through. and then what we hope and what we prepare for is a better response to reduce the casualties. we have to think of this as a set of multi layer defenses. and because we have an attack like this does not mean that we are not safe. it means that we are going to live for the foreseeable future with -- what we should take from this is we have to defend against these things, reduce the likelihood of the big, big scale attacks, and then be really resilient. and we've heard that from first responders and bystanders a
how could something like this happen in an environment that's this secure and do you feel like we've made a lot of progress. >> that's a great question. i still brief despite this awful tragedy, that we are much, much safer. but what we're safer from is the risk of a catastrophic attack. we hope that the intelligence will help us disrupt it before it happens, like past plots against the new york city subway system. we hope that as an explosion or attack begins, someone mate be able to...
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it is one of the things we worried about the most these big public events in an uncontrolled environment. >> even though you have the cameras to see someone is dropping a bag, someone saying what's going on at 34th and 5th. by the time you react might not be enough time to stop it. >> you don't know what's going on afterwards unless you have data base which is really good facial recognition. if you could pick out somebody in a crowd maybe intercement them, the chances of that happening are very, very hard because you have to match it against the known data base. that is very hard to construct. >> they said between 10-15 different terror attacks have been stopped. some are comparing this to the times square bomber? how does it remind you have that? >> same thing as an opportunity event. it was a wonderfully warm spring night and literally thousands of people in times square. he drives the car in now he has mass casualties. >> he screwed it up. >> he did jew it up. in both wayses there wecases th personnel. shrapnel designed to hurt people. >> people want to say okay this is a wild cat ope
it is one of the things we worried about the most these big public events in an uncontrolled environment. >> even though you have the cameras to see someone is dropping a bag, someone saying what's going on at 34th and 5th. by the time you react might not be enough time to stop it. >> you don't know what's going on afterwards unless you have data base which is really good facial recognition. if you could pick out somebody in a crowd maybe intercement them, the chances of that...
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so i think it is likely there would be so consistent if they were pulled up from the environment. >> [inaudible]. you were saying some were pellets and some were -- >> nails or sharp objects. i can't say what they are with certainty but that is how they look like? >> do you know how many? >> they are numerous, numerous. there were people who have 10, 20, 30, 40 of them in their body, or more. >> stands to reason sir you handed that over to investigators, all the shrapnel? >> we have, we're, we're working very closely with the investigators and we handed them whatever evidence we can find. >> what are you seeing in terms of resiliency from the patients? >> i think that the patients responded to really, really well. the patients that were able to talk when they first arrived and they were not immediately sedated and intubated for the purpose of an operation were amazingly resilient. were, really pulling it together and quite frankly, because of the patients our life was made easier and we were able to provide better care. the patients were really amazing. >> [inaudible]. can you give u
so i think it is likely there would be so consistent if they were pulled up from the environment. >> [inaudible]. you were saying some were pellets and some were -- >> nails or sharp objects. i can't say what they are with certainty but that is how they look like? >> do you know how many? >> they are numerous, numerous. there were people who have 10, 20, 30, 40 of them in their body, or more. >> stands to reason sir you handed that over to investigators, all the...
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do peel feel like we are in another high risk environment given this mass murder? >> i was in manhattan the day of 9/11. so it feels, it felt similar for maybe 10 or 12 hours but it seems like boston is back going about its day. not unlike the way new york kind of recovered as quickly as they did. i think one has to hope that the communicate responds quickly. that they're resilient. i think that the international nature of the boston marathon is helpful in an odd way at this point. people will go back to their countries and be as resilient as we need to be as americans. i think that these people who were engaged in this thing were out here living a purpose driven life. they were raising capital and raising funds for things that mattered to them. they were here for causes and in many instances and i think if the history is any judge, they'll be back to doing that very quickly. >> amen. thank you very much for that. >> up next, why would someone do this? we'll get into that question next. money. that's not much, you think. except it's 2% every year. go to e-trade and
do peel feel like we are in another high risk environment given this mass murder? >> i was in manhattan the day of 9/11. so it feels, it felt similar for maybe 10 or 12 hours but it seems like boston is back going about its day. not unlike the way new york kind of recovered as quickly as they did. i think one has to hope that the communicate responds quickly. that they're resilient. i think that the international nature of the boston marathon is helpful in an odd way at this point. people...
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just focusing on the anxiety and fear but more than anything else becoming empowered to look into your environment and what we're seeing from boston,
just focusing on the anxiety and fear but more than anything else becoming empowered to look into your environment and what we're seeing from boston,
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asked already about whether it's bebs or part of bombs or placed there intentionally or part of the environment. >> do you think that most people are critical at this point? [ inaudible ] it's really too early to say. >> how long will this process continue to be critical? hours? >> the younger patients will require operations tomorrow and serial operations over days. a lot of the injuries are soft tissue and vascular injuries and they have to be approached in kind of step-by-step. >> how about ear drums, are you seeing any shattered ear drums? >> we have seen at least one. for me and the residents to actually go right back around, particularly the people, in the operating room to get a good exam. >> can you give us more information on ages, hometowns? >> no, i'm sorry, i can't, actually. >> can you talk about the amput amputees, how many? >> i can't. i mean, a couple. [ question inaudible ] >> i don't know. there were no pediatric patients. the old evidence person i took care of was 71. >> you're a surgeon but still -- >> i mean, it's just depressing. we see accidents all the time, it's just de
asked already about whether it's bebs or part of bombs or placed there intentionally or part of the environment. >> do you think that most people are critical at this point? [ inaudible ] it's really too early to say. >> how long will this process continue to be critical? hours? >> the younger patients will require operations tomorrow and serial operations over days. a lot of the injuries are soft tissue and vascular injuries and they have to be approached in kind of...
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needle in the haystack, maybe yes, maybe no, but the good thing is that we're actually in an urban environment and there's a lot of buildings around and other materials that will stop some of this evidence as it crawls across the pavement and it will be found. the agents will go in and start conducting a crime scene investigation to find even the most minute pieces of evidence and what we call bag and tag and send to the laboratory. in the laboratory, the forensic scientists, examiners, will look at these pieces of debris and then start making conclusions as to what the device consisted of. >> how do you-- i understand how you could piece together what was the bomb made of. how did it work, how was it detonated and so on. but how-- we're told in the pan am 103 bombing which you helped investigate, that it was a thumbnail sized piece of evidence that led to the identity of the bomber. i mean, how can that be? how can you get to the identity from the remnants of the bomber? >> well, sometimes in pan am 103, the fragment of the circuit board that was the timer that detonated the device, is so gen
needle in the haystack, maybe yes, maybe no, but the good thing is that we're actually in an urban environment and there's a lot of buildings around and other materials that will stop some of this evidence as it crawls across the pavement and it will be found. the agents will go in and start conducting a crime scene investigation to find even the most minute pieces of evidence and what we call bag and tag and send to the laboratory. in the laboratory, the forensic scientists, examiners, will...
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i -- environment for something like this to happen. i know they do due diligence but it's virtually impossible to catch something like this. as a former member of homeland security x are aware and were aware of different types of efforts not only in massachusetts but throughout the country. we are constantly being poked and prodded and i want to commend our homeland security and law enforcement personnel for what they do to keep us safe. that's why it's so critically important to provide them with the tools and resources to do just that. so these types of things don't happen again. jenna: senator brown we appreciate your time today so much. thank you, sir. >> thank you. jon: well police are searching an apartment in the boston suburbs. its connection to the man under guard at a boston hospital. what it might reveal in connection with the bombings at the boston marathon. we'll take a look at that, plus, so much dramatic and emotional video of the horrific scenes erupting in boston. we'll talk to the eyewitnesses who shot these images, s
i -- environment for something like this to happen. i know they do due diligence but it's virtually impossible to catch something like this. as a former member of homeland security x are aware and were aware of different types of efforts not only in massachusetts but throughout the country. we are constantly being poked and prodded and i want to commend our homeland security and law enforcement personnel for what they do to keep us safe. that's why it's so critically important to provide them...
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again, open public venue 500,000 people, you can't create a fail safe environment. >> reporter: investigators have swept up a large amount of potential evidence including small bomb fragments and surveillance pictures and tape but we have to say it's too early to know if this attack was a work of a terror group, domestic or foreign, or the act of a lone wolf who was inspired to act out. charlie? >> bob orr, thanks. cities around the country increased security. with us now is rudy giuliani, mayor of new york city during the 9/11 attacks who consults with other cities on handling terror attacks and also john miller, nypd commissioner during mr. giuliani's tenure. this turns the clock back to 2001. whatever the thinking was on september 12th is now the thinking today. >> it really reminds us, right, of what we knew on september 11th and september 12th that the big news here is this is a horrible attack, terrible attack, my heart goes out to the people that were hurt but surprising there haven't been more of these since september 11th. we expected many attacks like this. the really remarkable sto
again, open public venue 500,000 people, you can't create a fail safe environment. >> reporter: investigators have swept up a large amount of potential evidence including small bomb fragments and surveillance pictures and tape but we have to say it's too early to know if this attack was a work of a terror group, domestic or foreign, or the act of a lone wolf who was inspired to act out. charlie? >> bob orr, thanks. cities around the country increased security. with us now is rudy...
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the safety of everyone that ntue to dovethgo wils always ensure a safe environment for our fans." this notion ofpoing events, like the boston marathon, which hasad us loong at other viously, we have tonn marathon on sunday, officials there is a that they are paying close attention to their security preparations, we have also got some other races, i chke john. n ancisco marathon in ju, billy broadtreet run in may, indiana 500 festiva in may. lansing, michigan, in april, and raon inapl.cnt music obvisl ainwee talking about no credie threats, but officials in boston said no credible threats before tha o either, john. >>recautions are necesry important, and detandable the celticsamn boston, canceled. doesn't really matter. the playoffs just around the corner. that game will not be made up. shannon travis, our thanks to you. one other story about a sporting event which reallyauty attention overnight. fans of the oakland a's in oakland, tryg to rally fans to start instead of let's go a's chant, a let's go bostonchant. that just shows you how fans and right now.he city country are republ
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we're able to say whether these are small bits of metal that are therein tensionally or parts of the environment that were involved in the blast. >> reporter: that same trauma surgeon saying some of the patients have to come back again and again for repeat operations. also saying that he has never seen anything, john, like the volume, the quantity of people that were rushed into his er immediately following this attack. >> that's what we keep hearing, poppy. the numbers were just staggering. so how prepared were they really for this flood of victims? >> reporter: you can say fortunately they were prepared. fortunately for a situation as they wished would never happen because they told us they prepare for things like this, massachusetts general, saying that within minutes after they got their first patient and after the attack they instituted an incident command system within five to ten minutes. they had enough surgeons. they even told us they had people flying back in, coming within hours back to the hospital from trips to try to help and do everything that they could. but they were prepared an
we're able to say whether these are small bits of metal that are therein tensionally or parts of the environment that were involved in the blast. >> reporter: that same trauma surgeon saying some of the patients have to come back again and again for repeat operations. also saying that he has never seen anything, john, like the volume, the quantity of people that were rushed into his er immediately following this attack. >> that's what we keep hearing, poppy. the numbers were just...
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the nature of the metal and the bb like pieces and the nails and questions whether this came from the environment, right? but it is not. >> i can tell you, as a person who has done trauma surgery, it can be difficult to tell sometimes when you're actually taking some of the shrapnel, wear exactly did it come from. but now they're saying without a doubt, we asked a few times, that there were nails, carpenter nails specifically and, quote, bb-like metal within some of these patients. and so they -- they know for sure it came from the explosive device. this is a doctor saying that based on their medical examination. this wasn't just debris that was lying around. >> what about also quickly in terms of the amputations, i was hearing one of the doctors saying last night, some of the patients were coming to them very injured, bleeding and saying, take whatever you need, i want to be alive. that has to be tough for a doctor, though. >> these are i think heart breaking decisions. it is a -- you can make the decision fairly quickly if that's going to be the best course of action. >> life or death. >> if yo
the nature of the metal and the bb like pieces and the nails and questions whether this came from the environment, right? but it is not. >> i can tell you, as a person who has done trauma surgery, it can be difficult to tell sometimes when you're actually taking some of the shrapnel, wear exactly did it come from. but now they're saying without a doubt, we asked a few times, that there were nails, carpenter nails specifically and, quote, bb-like metal within some of these patients. and so...
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they will be mitigating environment impact. so far, no neighbors have had to be evacuated. this is the corner of monterey and metcalf. this is where sheriff deputies are stopping the traffic and turning them around. they are not letting them in between metcalf and bran chard. you can see all of those -- blanchard. you can see all of these folks having to turn around. we're on monterey, which runs parallel to 101, so authorities are suggesting that you take the bernal exit instead of the next one to avoid this area altogether as it's gonna be several hours before they can get the situation under control. right now we're reporting live from near san jose, i'm tara moriarty, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 8:06. sal is covering the commute. how is it looking in san mateo, is it getting any better? >> it is. we've opened up one more lane, southbound 101 at 92. the two plains were blocked because of a -- lanes were blocked because of a truck accident. it's still busy south of burlingame. it's backed up a little bit more. 280 is a mess as you drive out of san bruno. people are taking 28
they will be mitigating environment impact. so far, no neighbors have had to be evacuated. this is the corner of monterey and metcalf. this is where sheriff deputies are stopping the traffic and turning them around. they are not letting them in between metcalf and bran chard. you can see all of those -- blanchard. you can see all of these folks having to turn around. we're on monterey, which runs parallel to 101, so authorities are suggesting that you take the bernal exit instead of the next...
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family visited so he didn't have that chore, dare may i say, of having to go and -- to go into a morbid environment. he had enough to think about. , so yes, she wrote letters. she didn't have many friends, unfortunately. but she did have this wonderful family who kept her going and there always seemed to be somebody there. as far as reading, i don't think she did very much which was a shame because she was a very intellectual woman, highly educated. that intellect and that wonderful education seemed wasted in some ways. >> next question comes from bonnie who is watching us in cincinnati. hi, bondy, you're on the air. >> hi. thank you for taking my call. this is a most intriguing subject. i do collect albums from the 1840's and 1850's of the central united states. and i do own a journal that was written by a family member of william henry harrison. the hairson family coming from cincinnati. after his death, frequently the letters that do i have, i'm not a member of that family, however i do have several of the letters and albums hand written, journals, and frequently similar to mrs. pierce, in the o
family visited so he didn't have that chore, dare may i say, of having to go and -- to go into a morbid environment. he had enough to think about. , so yes, she wrote letters. she didn't have many friends, unfortunately. but she did have this wonderful family who kept her going and there always seemed to be somebody there. as far as reading, i don't think she did very much which was a shame because she was a very intellectual woman, highly educated. that intellect and that wonderful education...
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and millions... are polluting our environment. [ sniffing ] [ seagulls squawking ] >> welcome back to the kron 4 morning news not the very latest on our top story, the attack at the boston marathon, as we take a live look at boston right now. law-enforcement officers have surged an apartment in a boston suburb in the investigation. some investigators are scene early this morning leaving the home in revere, mass., carrying rubber bags, plastic trash bags and a dufflebag. so far, investigators said they did not that anyone under arrest or have a motive in the attack that killed at least three people and wounded more than 140. >> san francisco mayor ed lee assures residents and visitors that san francisco is safe. san francisco is to host a number a big community event that includes the up coming in bay to breakers race on may 19th. the mayor says, security remains a top priority. >> i want to make sure everyone knows public safety is the number-one thing. we have to look at everything with these events and everything that occurred in boston to figure this out. so that will ultimately ma
and millions... are polluting our environment. [ sniffing ] [ seagulls squawking ] >> welcome back to the kron 4 morning news not the very latest on our top story, the attack at the boston marathon, as we take a live look at boston right now. law-enforcement officers have surged an apartment in a boston suburb in the investigation. some investigators are scene early this morning leaving the home in revere, mass., carrying rubber bags, plastic trash bags and a dufflebag. so far,...
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comes to our ballparks always our top priority and we will continue to do everything to ensure a safe environment for our fans." this notion of sporting events, potentially being soft targets like the boston marathon, which has had us looking at other events coming up. obviously, we have the london marathon on sunday, officials there is a that they are paying close attention to their security preparations, we have also got some other races, i checked, john. san francisco marathon in june, billy broad street run in may, indiana 500 festival in may. lansing, michigan, in april, and there is a country music marathon in april. obviously, again, we're talking about no credible threats, but officials in boston said no credible threats before that one either, john. >> precautions are necessary, important, and understandable. the celtics game in boston, canceled. doesn't really matter. the playoffs just around the corner. that game will not be made up. shannon travis, our thanks to you. one other story about a sporting event which really caught my attention overnight. fans of the oakland a's in oakland,
comes to our ballparks always our top priority and we will continue to do everything to ensure a safe environment for our fans." this notion of sporting events, potentially being soft targets like the boston marathon, which has had us looking at other events coming up. obviously, we have the london marathon on sunday, officials there is a that they are paying close attention to their security preparations, we have also got some other races, i checked, john. san francisco marathon in june,...
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>> well, i think obviously the city, the environment around the city is still in a state of shock. the city will not be business as usual today. many of the streets around us you can see have been closed off, back bay, the entire area of the finish line is closed off and shut down. but like any city like new york, after september 11th, like any city in this country, people are resilient, we'll go on. >> yesterday was a special day for people outside of boston, can you explain? >> oh, joe. >> you know, the sox play, it's a holiday in boston, actually. >> it's a holiday. >> the sox play in the afternoon. you were there with your son. >> it's a traditional holiday. it's perhaps the greatest day for the city during the course of the year. it's a day when the entire city wears a smile. it's a day when hundreds of thousands of people arrive here from literally around the globe and certainly around the nation to run, first, in the boston marathon, 26 miles in massachusetts, to the boylston finish line. the game concludes just as the middle of the pack begins to come through kenmore square
>> well, i think obviously the city, the environment around the city is still in a state of shock. the city will not be business as usual today. many of the streets around us you can see have been closed off, back bay, the entire area of the finish line is closed off and shut down. but like any city like new york, after september 11th, like any city in this country, people are resilient, we'll go on. >> yesterday was a special day for people outside of boston, can you explain?...
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so it certainly was a target ripe environment, target rich environment. it's just tragic to go from this horrific scene, i think everybody was just shocked, but i'll tell you what, i'm angry. i know a lot of other people are angry. i got a text, a long text from doug flutie, former quarterback, as you know, boston college fame, saying where do i sign up? who do we go and get? you see joann drowsy helping out a -- andruzi helping out. we're going to do a top to bottom review of what went right and wrong and make sure it doesn't happen again. >> steve: i understand the anger. but you look at all the first responders, all the police officers, all the national guardsmen who were there yesterday. the city was vigilant. yet it just takes one. >> listen, it does take one. certainly because it is the marathon, it is the showcase, really of the city and the state, you have all those people there anyway. thank goodness they were actually there because the first responders, the medical personnel, the tents are right there. they're able to adjust from high duration t
so it certainly was a target ripe environment, target rich environment. it's just tragic to go from this horrific scene, i think everybody was just shocked, but i'll tell you what, i'm angry. i know a lot of other people are angry. i got a text, a long text from doug flutie, former quarterback, as you know, boston college fame, saying where do i sign up? who do we go and get? you see joann drowsy helping out a -- andruzi helping out. we're going to do a top to bottom review of what went right...
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family visited so he didn't have that chore, dare may i say, of having to go and -- to go into a morbid environment. he had enough to think about. so yes, she wrote letters. she didn't have many friends, unfortunately. but she did have this wonderful family who kept her going and there always seemed to be somebody there. as far as reading, i don't think she did very much which was a shame because she was a very intellectual woman, highly educated. that intellect and that wonderful education seemed wasted in some ways. >> next question comes from bonnie who is watching us in cincinnati. hi, bonnie, you're on the air. >> hi. thank you for taking my call. this is a most intriguing subject. i do collect albums from the 1840's and 1850's of the central united states. and i do own a journal that was written by a family member of william henry harrison. the harrison family coming from cincinnati. after his death, frequently the letters that do i have, i'm not a member of that family, however i do have several of the letters and albums hand written, journals, and frequently similar to mrs. pierce, in the o
family visited so he didn't have that chore, dare may i say, of having to go and -- to go into a morbid environment. he had enough to think about. so yes, she wrote letters. she didn't have many friends, unfortunately. but she did have this wonderful family who kept her going and there always seemed to be somebody there. as far as reading, i don't think she did very much which was a shame because she was a very intellectual woman, highly educated. that intellect and that wonderful education...
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>> when you go into an environment like this, first, you want to say am i indoors, outdoor, this is an outdoor event. where am i standing? are there trash cans near me? is there a mailbox near me? that can be a someplace where somebody can conceal a device. don't stand there. is there glass around me? get away from that, if stand near a structure that's concrete, steel, brick. even if it's from a distance, the blast wave can shatter all that glass. >> do you need to be thinking about that? >> it's such a weird thing to think about. >> on a day when you're celebrating, you're not thinking about this. >> you should think about this all the time. wherever you go. whether it's a movie theater, the school, the mall. >> is it our new reality? and is it going to get worse? >> i think this is reality and i think that you should do this, it takes a few minutes, any place you go, what do i do if this happens. >> what do you think it does to your psyche? there are some people, i get it, you live your life afraid. like oh my god, something bad's around the corner. living your life that way -- >> m
>> when you go into an environment like this, first, you want to say am i indoors, outdoor, this is an outdoor event. where am i standing? are there trash cans near me? is there a mailbox near me? that can be a someplace where somebody can conceal a device. don't stand there. is there glass around me? get away from that, if stand near a structure that's concrete, steel, brick. even if it's from a distance, the blast wave can shatter all that glass. >> do you need to be thinking...